Plastics Technology: August 2009 Archives

A friend emailed me this great question the other day regarding the relationship between fill speed and pressure...

JM
The pressure required to fill a particular mold went up from 950 psi at 1 in/s to 1050 psi at 3 in/s. 

I understand the higher pressure needed to hit the higher speeds, but shouldn't this be offset by the significantly reduced viscosity?

Does it hold true that anytime you increase the fill velocity, you see an increase in fill pressure... all things being equal?

My Response
The pressure required to fill will increase because the viscosity change will not completely outweigh the pressure losses... The overall energy consumption does drop considerably during fill since the pressure to fill is being appllied for only one third the amount of time!

It is very likely that a rheology curve would demonstrate that the 1 in/s fill is on the left hand side of the shear thinning transition region and the 3 in/s is on the right hand side of this region.

Think of it in vehicular terms… Your 1 in/s is like pushing a large pickup (higher resistance to movement) at 20 miles per hour, while your 3 in/s is like pushing a compact car (lower ristance to movement) at 60 miles per hour. It takes more gas per minute to move the smaller car at the higher rate, but it takes less time and you consume less gas overall getting to your final destination.

Additional Thoughts
Always keep in mind...the reduced viscosity due to shear thinning will actually save you money... making your processes much more economical since the overall energy consumption to fill the mold as well as the time are reduced.

Additionally, the drop in viscosity will also reduce the pressure required to pack out the mold cavity during 2nd stage. In the long run, all these changes can make a big difference in the productivity and efficiency of your facility.

-Andy
I received this blog topic request yesterday...

Samer
Concerning injection molding, is there a specialized screw used for PET?

My Response
Yes, the goal in PET processing is to (1) maximize output, (2) control shear heat, and (3) minimize melt tempertaure... yet ensure the polymer is fully melted and as homogeneous as possible.

(1) The need to maximize output is due to the fact that most PET injection molding processes are for high-cavitation high-speed molding PET preform machines.

(2) The need to control shear heat is due to the fact that a higher temperature polymer requires more time to cool... and may increase the development of semi-crystalline regions. Also, inconsistent melt temperatures will result in inconsistent cooling and crystallinity... resulting in profit losses due to scrap and troubleshooting.

(3) PET also has very poor thermal conductivity... making it great for drink containers, but terrible for part cooling. The goal in processing PET is to process the material as close to the melting point as possible, while ensuring all the pellets are melted and mixed.

To address all these concerns, different machine manufacturers have devised some great machine and screw designs.

Whether it is a reciprocating screw machine, or a two stage 'shot-pot' machine, most PET single screw designs incorporate a barrier screw. In such a design, the screw channel depth remains the same from the feed into the transition zone, but the channel width becomes progressively smaller. As this channel width decreases... an adjacent shallow channel, separated by a barrier flight begins. Ultimately, the melted material flows over the barrier flight into the shallow channel until it transitions into the metering zone. Such a design reduces shear heating and allows stingy pellets more time to melt.

In most single screw designs, a distributive mixing element is typically incorporated on the screw or a static mixer is placed within the nozzle to ensure a more homogeneous melt... especially if a colorant is added to the polymer.

Some of the more ambitious machine manufacturers are working with twin screw designs for two stage molding machines. These systems show great promise since a good twin screw design would provide the best control over both shear and melt temperature.

Additional Thoughts
PET processing is one of the more advanced and refined fields of injection molding, making it very competitive. I strongly suggest anyone getting into PET molding do some significant research to ensure your strategy is well suited to take advantage of today's advances.

-Andy
This question came in last month. Although I could not get any specifics about the machine such as age or model, I believe the question still makes a good discussion...

E-Mailer
Today I tried to adjust limit of injection pressure on Demag machine. I adjust maximum of machine 210 bar actual injection pressure was 160 bar, so I decided to decrease limit to 190 bar, but actual pressure decreased to 150 bar. I tried to decrease limit to 170 bar, but actual pressure decrease again to 130 bar. 

I would say this is not a good thing.  It seems like that this is built into the programming of the Demag machine.  Might be automatically trying to create a pressure differential, but by doing it this way it moves the process back to pressure controlled rather than velocity controlled.

My Response
Although I cannot speak specifically about that particular machine, there are some general reasons for this behavior.

Most machines do have a buffer to ensure the machine does not overcompensate when approaching the maximum setting. Sometimes this buffer compensates for line pressure or pressure losses in the system. 

Often machines set the limit near the pump and take peak pressure measurements at the cylinders... which does not compensate for losses in the system. Certain machine types even use a pressure differential to control velocity, which could cause this difference.

Another cause for this could be dynamic breaking... to compete with the accurate controls of electric molding machines, machines are applying a small amount of hydraulic pressure to the front of the injection cylinders to better control the velocity transitions during injection. The displayed injection pressure will most likely be calculated as a differential between the front and back of the cylinders.

In any of these cases, to test if you are actually hitting this peak limit, increase your max pressure and see if the peak pressure increases.

You may also want to perform a Dynamic Load Sensitivity Test on the machine to ensure the machine controls are functioning properly and there is not a problem with the hydraulics or controls.

Additional Thoughts
As the molding machine technology increases, the specific functionality of molding machines is becoming less obvious. This is why it is very important to good relationship with the technical representatives at your machine supplier. If the machine is an older model, a machine re-builder can also be a great resource as they tend to have great knowledge of your machine's shortcommings.

-Andy
A recent question was received via e-mail...

RZ
We are encountering cracking at the bosses on a polysulfone part. We press fit inserts on the bosses but we don’t see cracking during insertion. It is not until a day or two later that we see the cracking. Any thoughts?

My Response
The occurrence of cracking and crazing in this case is most likely due to the factors of molded-in stresses and strain.

Since polysulfone has a high degree of semi-crystallinity and rigidity, the resulting parts have many molded-in stresses... especially in the case of a boss. Many injection molders will anneal the parts with a heat cycle to reduce these molded-in stresses. Doing this before and after the insertion would significantly reduce these stresses.

Reducing the strain during insertion will also reduce the likelihood of cracking and crazing. Using a barbed, threaded, or trilobal insert may reduce this strain. The use of ultrasonic insertion or in-mold insertion will also reduce this.

Additional Thoughts
It may also be a good idea to mold the part in a translucent material so that you can see where the stresses are present under polarized light.

-Andy
I recently received an email from a friend of mine regarding voids...

Ron
How do you troubleshoot voids in the sprue?

My Response
The presence of voids in the sprue is very common, but the need to troubleshoot this is unique to sprue-gated parts. Voids in a sprue gate are a little different than a typical sink or void at the gate.

There are three ways to approach this... Cooling, Pressure, and Temperature.

The first way is to improve cooling at the sprue with additional cooling in the sprue area or mold cavity at the gate region. Beryllium copper inserts or a sprue made from an alternative material would improve the cooling in this region.

The second way to reduce this would be to increase the pressure applied during second stage time. As this pressure is increased, the time required to seal the gate will actually increase. Since the increased pressure causes a higher tendency for the polymer to flow back through the sprue.

The third way to improve the situation would be to increase the mold temperature... assuming sinks in the region are acceptable. Since higher mold temperatures increase the tendency to for sinks over voids.

Additional Thoughts
Such a situation is difficult to correct... and typically requires much trial and error to determine a correct process. Again, as with any other process, you really need to document the process thoroughly once the issue is resolved.

-Andy

Venting Issues

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I received this general venting question the other day...

LG
Many of our molds have venting issues as evidenced by either burns or filling problems. I realize that a “flow analysis” done previous to cutting the steel would answer most of these questions.  The gases have to get out… What do you recommend regarding placement, size and depth?

My Response
With I am asked how many vents should be added, I always say more. Each material has design guidelines for vent depth which are typically very helpful.

Ultimately, the more vents you can have on the part, the better. Obviously... strategic venting, such as a porous steel in a boss, can be very important; but getting as much gas out of the mold prior to that boss will minimize the amount of localized venting that is required. Also consider venting the runner, sprue, and cold slug wells.

Since the polymer only flashes as a result of thickness, the width of the vent has virtually no effect. As a result, you can make the vents relatively wide. I have seen large vents taking up high percentages of the parting line with great success.

One commonly overlooked aspect to venting is the vent drop. Behind any well designed vent is a substantive vent drop.  These drops are deep grooves, which channel the gas from behind the vent to the outside the mold. Think of the vent as a gate designed to transfer the gas from the mold to the vent drop.

Lastly, high clamp pressures may reduce the effectiveness of your vents... and may close them completely.

Additional Thoughts
Many mold designers put extensive thought into the getting the polymer into the mold... but pay little attention to how the gas will get out of the way. Most of the molds I see with vent clogging problems often have thin vents, too few vents, no vent drop, or combinations of all three. Give the gas trapped within the mold many wide vents with a big vent drop to help it escape to the atmosphere.

-Andy
A recent commenter to our blog just e-mailed me this age old question regarding gate sizing...

Larry
If a molder is having trouble filling a mold, yet the process is not 'pressure limited', would opening the gates solve the problem?

My Response
I typically ask for more specifics, but in this case it is more about the philosophy behind making the change.

Whenever making wholesale changes to the tool steel, you must take a scientific approach.

An example of this approach would be as follows...

1. Verify the melt temperature

2. Verify the mold temperature

3. Check the vents (you can often reduce the tonnage or place a piece of tape on the parting line to test if the venting is adequate)

4. Check the nozzle and hot runner system for any obstructions... or improper sizing. Depending on the application, you can perform a pressure loss study, actually dismantle the components, or try replacing them with different sizes.

5. Perform an in-mold rheology study (the gate may be too small if the mold cannot fill after shear thinning takes place... but, if there is no shear thinning present on the rheology curve... the gate could even be too large!!!) I strongly recommend performing these in-mold rheology curves at both higher and lower melt and mold temperatures as these conditions can influence shear thinning and viscosity.

6. After obtaining all this data, and is the problem does not resolve itself in the process of discovery, you should review the facts with the designers and processors to determine the correct course of action.

Additional Thoughts
As a engineer... I always prefer taking a scientific approach to the resolution to any defect. This prevents rash and costly decisions from being made.

-Andy
This e-mail can to me recently regarding the complications associated with the processing of flame retardant materials...

Nathan
I am processing with PC/ABS C6600 FR grade material and it is difficult to maintain a consistent part quality. Recently I am getting gas marks and gas deposition on the mold surface after processing for a few hours. Proper venting is provided at the cold slug wells, ejector pins, parting line, and vent pins.

We are following the process information from the material specs. Is there any further requirements needed to process this material?

My Response
A material such as this is a flame retardant grade of PC/ABS. By itself, PC/ABS can be a difficult material to process as it tends to have a very narrow processing window. What many people do not realize is the thermal instability of flame retardants.

It may seem counter-intuitive... but flame retardants tend to have extremely high degrees of thermal instability! These flame retardants which were added to the material often degrade easily due to shear, temperature, and moisture.

Initially, the material should be dried, even if it comes in sealed bags... and you should be molding the part in a machine which is using 40-80% of the shot size to ensure a very low residence time. 

Next, measure the actual melt temperature and the dewpoint of the material at the feedthroat and then compare these to the recommendations. You should also reduce the screw speed & back pressure, and increase the screw delay to reduce shear and barrel residence time.

You can always increase the number of gates on the parting line... since more gates don't cause flash. If you instill a schedule for the routine cleaning of the mold, this will also help prevent the gas buildup.

An in-mold rheology test will best determine when shear thinning occurs during fill, as well as visually demonstrate the fill time where the rate of filling degrades the polymer.

When your process is stabilized and functioning properly... you really need to document the process based on the process outputs such as melt temperature, fill time, part weight at end of fill, plastic pressures, etc.

Additional Thoughts
The science behind today's polymers can create some materials which really perform great in their applications, but require very delicate processing. When the correct process is reached it is critical that you document the process and not just the machine settings so it can be repeated.

-Andy
In a recent webinar, I received this question form one of our participants...

Jason
How often should my maintenance department level our injection molding machines?

My Response
It depends... but typically larger machines should be levelled every 6 months. The smaller machines tend to be more stable and rigid, requiring levelling every 12 months.

What is even more important is the fact that you need to measure any machine that is new to your facility every 3 months for the first year. Many molders assume that newer machines require less attention, but it may take up to a year for the machine to settle in.

Additional Thoughts
Keep in mind, you should always level the machine by placing the level on the tie bars. Although bubble levels can be used, a laser level is significantly more effective at measuring the levelness of the machine. Clean off the tie bar before measuring and use a grooved level so that it properly rests on the tie bar.

-Andy
A customer of ours asked this great question the other day...

Jim
I am trying to determine, technically, what tonnage I need for a given job:
  • Area of part & cold runner is 19 in.sq.
  • Fill Pressure Actual (@ 1”/s fill speed) = 900psi hydraulic
  • Hold/Pack Pressure Actual = 650psi hydraulic
  • Intensification ratio for the press is 15.88.
Does this mean that the plastic pressure in the mould is ~900 X 15.88 = 14,292 psi?  Or it never reaches that, and the hold pressure of 650 X 15.88 = 10,322 psi plastic pressure is what’s seen in the mould?

If I take the 14,292 psi X 19 in. sq. / 2000 lb./ ton = 135T.  Is this the right approach on what tonnage is needed in this case to hold the mould closed? I am also wondering about the logic.

My Response
Assuming you are not 100% full during first stage… the 10,322 psi calculation would be more correct.

(10,322 lbs/in*in) x (19 in*in) / (2000 lbs/ton) =  ~98 tons.

This is because the pressure is not distributed across the mold cavity until the mold cavity is full... assuming mold filling is completed during 2nd stage packing.

Ultimately, the pressure losses that occur during fill actually reduce the actual pressure the mold cavity realizes so the 98 tons calculation would actually include a fudge factor for safety.

Additional Thoughts
If you were to take a more exacting approach to this calculation, you could preform a pressure loss study to determine the actual pressure loss through the nozzle and sprue as well as during fill. From this pressure loss data you could estimate the average pressure distribution across the mold cavity and relate it to the 2nd stage packing pressure distribution.

In most cases, the simple approach used above would be satisfactory for the typical custom molder.. especially since it would accommodate a small fudge factor to compensate for variability and machine inconsistency.

Molders who perform fewer mold changes... or are purchasing a machine specifically for an application should perform a more detailed pressure study.

-Andy

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