Plastics Technology: October 2009 Archives

A medical molder just submitted this interesting question...

PL
In our attempts to optimize, we are often asked by the tooling engineers to put different temps across sections of the tool. An example would be operating core temps at lower temps than the rest of the tool. We try to keep the tool at the recomended temp for the material instead. What would be your opinion on the correct method?

My Response
As a general rule, the best cooling is one which provides the most consistent part cooling. This means your entire part should cool down consistently. 

You can often encounter many complications when you try to run different temperatures on the same half of the tool (unless the tool is relatively large such as automotive applications). The additional cooling in one zone will often cool the zone next to it. This can often result in erratic mold temperature fluctuations in the warm portions as it will often reduce the return coolant temperature causing the controller to act as though the mold is cooler than it really is. This can be done... but it requires extensive monitoring over coolant flows and coolant temperature coming in and out of the thermolator, and it is unlikely to get the result you desire.

In truth, areas in the part such as cores, bosses, and thick sections often need additional cooling. Ultimately, adjusting the temperatures in any specific region of the tool will have minimal affect on the transfer of heat.

The best way to provide additional cooling is through increased heat transfer. This can be done in many ways... (1) You can increase the coolant flow to a particular coolant line, which should be verified through the use of a flow meter (2) You can use more heat conductive steels or materials such as beryllium copper in the regions which need more cooling (3) You can additional cooling lines in the areas which require more cooling (4) You can also use more efficient cooling techniques such as water bubblers, baffles, and thermal pins.

Additional Thoughts
When optimizing a process, always look at the entire process and experiment with different temperatures, speeds and pressures. The material suppliers recommendations are just that 'recommendations' and can be bypassed when necessary.

-Andy
I was recently asked a question which has been debated for many years...

Jennifer
What is the proper rule for safety glasses? Some say they are not always needed, others say they should be work at all times, what is your opinion?

My Response
Before I relate my opinion, I first want to bring up three important factors...

1) Virtually all machine and equipment manufacturers suggest that eye protection be worn at all times.

2) Virtually all safety regulatory groups recommend of require safety glasses to be worn at all times on the production floor.

3) Virtually all safety training recommends safety glasses to be worn around any piece of production equipment.

First... anyone violating a safety guard, servicing a machine, purging, grinding, or opening the safety gates for any reason must wear safety glasses.

Second... I strongly feel that anyone on the production floor should be wearing safety glasses.

Third... I also feel that the tool room, maintenance area, quality lab, and warehouse should also be included. 

Additional Thoughts
In all stages of my professional development, I have been taught the importance of personal protection equipment and specifically... eye protection.

I have personally seen safety hazards such as fragments and fluids travel hundreds of feet across the production floor... all being serious hazards to everyone on the production floor.

As always, I am interested in hearing your opinion on this matter.

-Andy


In a recent seminar, I received this interesting question...

Participant
Can high clamp tonnage actually cause flash?

My Response
Yes, it actually can. High Clamp Tonnage can block the vents, causing gases to become trapped in the mold during 1st stage injection. Although, these gasses most often heat and cause burning or short shots... these gasses can also force the parting line to open allowing the gases and some polymer to escape.

This rare flash resulting from high clamp tonnage tends to be very thin and wispy since it often tightly clamped immediately after it is formed. Often, this flash remains with the mold and builds up on the parting line.

Additional Thoughts
Excessive clamp tonnage is never a good practice as it will often cause damage to the vents, parting line, and may even stress the mold components.

-Andy

Rules for a DIII Process

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A frequent blogger asked this question the other day...

MJ
I know, the rules for DII process as follows:
 
•  A process that uses one injection speed to fill - whenever possible 
•  The mold fills 95 to 98 percent full during first stage 
•  All cavities are short shot during first stage 
•  First stage fill is velocity-controlled and not pressure limited 
•  Second stage pack is pressure-controller and not velocity limited 
•  Process uses only 20 to 80 percent of the machine’s available shot size 
•  The final cushion is approximately 10 percent of the overall shot size
 
Do you have something like this for DIII process?

My Response
As with above, the following items are also rules of thumb, and are not set in stone.

•  A process that uses one injection speed to fill - whenever possible 
•  The mold fills 80-90 percent full during first stage 
•  All cavities are short shot during first stage 
•  First stage fill is velocity-controlled and not pressure limited 
•  Second stage pack is velocity-controlled and not pressure limited
•  Second stage transfers at approximately 95-98 percent full
•  Second stage transfer is controlled using post-gate cavity pressure
•  Third stage hold is pressure-controller and not velocity limited
•  Process uses only 20 to 80 percent of the machine’s available shot size 
•  The final cushion is approximately 10 percent of the overall shot size

Additional Thoughts
A DIII process requires cavity pressure transfer capabilities, and should only be used if you and your technicians have a high level of competence. Such a process gives you excellent control, but may be overkill for many applications with good processing windows.

-Andy
One of our customers brought up this question...

Jim M.
How does shear rate vary for the same fill rate going from a small screw to a large screw?  The volumetric flow rate being the same of course, but is there a difference in shear rate caused by the barrel / screw size differences?

My Response
With respect to shear during first stage injection, virtually all the shear occurs in the nozzle, runner, gates, and mold cavity. The diameter of the barrel, in comparison, is inconsequential.

If you used the same rotational speed (RPM) with a larger diameter screw, then you would create more shear during recovery since the circumferential speed would increase. For this reason... you should try to match the recovery times to help balance the shear caused during screw recovery.

Additional Thoughts
What is usually overlooked is the ID and length of the nozzle which may change from machine to machine as well as the resulting melt temperature due to recovery… These oversights often make people think it's the barrel that is causing the difference.

-Andy
A blog reader submitted an entry this morning...

Jean Francois
We are using a decoupled process. During fill, the pressure is set to a max pressure and should not to be reached. However, when molding thin wall parts with long flow paths, it is common to reach the maximum machine capacity pressure before reaching the expected velocity.

Question: In this case what is the best recommended process: 
1) Lower the programmed velocity to a point where requested pressure in lower than the machine capacity (with 10 to 15% margin)? 

2) Keep high programmed velocity with the maximum pressure set at the maximum of the machine capability.

My guess is solution 1) should be the best because the process will be more stable. The drawback of this solution is that we are not using the max velocity that the machine can really provide.

If I choose solution 2) any variation of melt viscosity will change the process…

So what is the best?

My Response
Your choice is correct... but I should clarify the reasoning.

In establishing a robust injection molding process, the purpose is not to use the fastest velocity possible, but to use a high velocity which provides a shear rate which is above the point of shear thinning. You should perform an In-Mold Rheology Worksheet to determine where shear thinning 
occurs in your process.

If necessary, you can try processing at a velocity consuming approximately 90% of max pressure if it provides the best appearance or performance. Just ensure that you closely monitor the fill time consistency, possibly placing a lower limit alarm on your process.

Additional Thoughts
You should always avoid a pressure limited process. If necessary, you can avoid pressure limiting the process by reducing the injection speed through the use of profiling.

-Andy 

An employee confronted his management with this proclamation he found on a website… I was asked to explain why this was an incorrect philosophy for a 21st century processor. 

Outdated Philosophy
Plastic is compressible.  We must take the injected shot past its ability to compress so that it acts like a hydraulic (non-compressible) fluid to completely fill the mould.   As the cavity fills, there is no measurable pressure because it is pushing air out.  Once filled, the plastic compresses.  At some point in time it is so compressed it is no longer a compressible fluid but responds as if it were a hydraulic fluid.  It is at this point that the cavity is fully pressurized and the process switches from fill to hold, just before the spike on the curve.  The screw is slowing down, but the pressure is now packing.  The only way to hold pressure on the part is to maintain a cushion.  The smaller the cushion is, the higher the amount of pressure we can apply on the melt.  However, if it bottoms out, there will be no pressure on the melt.  If the cushion cannot be maintained, the amount of pressure on the melt will be inconsistent.

My Thoughts
This is the philosophy behind the older, pressure controlled, machines. This process theory focuses on, and requires, a fully pressure limited process.

Aside from the reciprocating screw, velocity-control is the most important advancement in the injection molding of thermoplastic polymers… The theory above requires that you neglect this feature completely.

In 99% of the cases, such a process will be significantly less reliable and more machine dependent than a robust, velocity-controlled process with a short shot during 1st stage fill.

Additional Thoughts
There are always opposing positions… but you would be hard-pressed to find any successful consultant or educator who would subscribe to the theory espoused above.

-Andy

In a recent webinar, I received this short question...

Jeremy
Does the use of in-mold labelling have a significant effect on polymer flow?

My Response
Basically, there should be no significant change in the behaivor of the polymer. Since the polymer exhibits fountain flow, the polymer touching the label surface is stagnant, while the moving polymer passes through the center.

Additional Thoughts
Many injection molders forget that the polymer does not flow through the mold with a straight plug flow as water does. In fountain flow, the polymer comes in contact with the mold surface and begins to freeze off.

The polymer behind the flow front passes through the center of the channel until it comes in contact with the mold surface. As a result, All the polymer that fills the mold comes from the center of the flow channel as is passes by the polymer it distributes onto the mold surface.

-Andy
Recently, a webinar participant asked me this question about extrusion...

MH
Why would I consider purchasing an extruder with a grooved feedthroat?

My Response
Conveying in the feed zone will only occur if the plastic grips the barrel and slides on the screw.  Whenever it grips the screw surface and slips on the barrel, it will not move forward. Consistent feeding requires a consistent balance of friction between the barrel and the material, between the screw and the material, and between the particles of material themselves. Because a consistent balance of friction is difficult to achieve, many problems with surging, uneven output, and size variations actually begin in the feed zone.

Feeding and conveying take place a little differently in a grooved feed extruder. With a grooved feed throat, slippage between the plastic and the barrel is effectively zero. It must move forward as the screw turns, regardless of any variations in friction between the plastic and screw.

Therefor, companies who purchase grooved feedthroats to improve material conveyance. Please discuss the specific application with the machine manufacturer to ensure the feedthroat grooves accommodate the size of your pellets and regrind. 

Additional Thoughts
One interesting variation on this is with a micro-extruder. Many of the small bench-top extruders will taper and groove the feedthroat since it is the only way for the pellets to fit into the barrel and convey down the screw to be properly melted.

Another area of interest for grooved feed throats is in the newer, high capacity shot-pot style injection molding machines. Many of these use the shot-pot two-stage configuration to increase melting capacity... manufacturers are testing more traditional extruder configurations including twin screw extruders and grooved feedthroats.

-Andy

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